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		<title>Comment on Chanting: Historical Fragments by Kyōshin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyōshin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ultimately there's not a big difference between Kikyoshiki and Ti-sarana I don't think other than the presence of a descendent of Shinran at the former (the 'Gomonshu' in Nishi Honganji and 'Hossu' in Higashi Honganji). 

In Kikyoshiki you chant the Ryogemon (aka Gaikemon) but I don't know whether you would have done this in a Ti-sarana or not.  In the end the important thing is simply the aspiration and mind of taking refuge and not the form of the ceremony itself.

Do you know what your Dharma name means Michael?  What are the kanji?

(Ryogemon: http://shinmission_sg.tripod.com/homagecreed/)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ultimately there&#8217;s not a big difference between Kikyoshiki and Ti-sarana I don&#8217;t think other than the presence of a descendent of Shinran at the former (the &#8216;Gomonshu&#8217; in Nishi Honganji and &#8216;Hossu&#8217; in Higashi Honganji). </p>
<p>In Kikyoshiki you chant the Ryogemon (aka Gaikemon) but I don&#8217;t know whether you would have done this in a Ti-sarana or not.  In the end the important thing is simply the aspiration and mind of taking refuge and not the form of the ceremony itself.</p>
<p>Do you know what your Dharma name means Michael?  What are the kanji?</p>
<p>(Ryogemon: <a href="http://shinmission_sg.tripod.com/homagecreed/" rel="nofollow">http://shinmission_sg.tripod.com/homagecreed/</a>)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Chanting: Historical Fragments by michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have not had kikyoshiki, but have had Tisarana. This was given by Rev. Koyo Kubose and at that time I was given the Dharma name Shinyo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not had kikyoshiki, but have had Tisarana. This was given by Rev. Koyo Kubose and at that time I was given the Dharma name Shinyo.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Chanting: Historical Fragments by Kyōshin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyōshin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Michael, yes they are our Dharma names.  We were very fortunate to be given the opportunity to receive kikyoshiki together in 2003.  

My Dharma name Kyōshin (慶心) means 'Joyful mind' or more specifically 'Mind rejoicing in what has been received'.  

(It tends to confuse some Japanese people as in modern Japanese the first character is pronounced 'kei' whereas in the case of my Dharma name the character is actually pronounced as it appears in the 'Shoshinge' i.e. 'kyō'.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michael, yes they are our Dharma names.  We were very fortunate to be given the opportunity to receive kikyoshiki together in 2003.  </p>
<p>My Dharma name Kyōshin (慶心) means &#8216;Joyful mind&#8217; or more specifically &#8216;Mind rejoicing in what has been received&#8217;.  </p>
<p>(It tends to confuse some Japanese people as in modern Japanese the first character is pronounced &#8216;kei&#8217; whereas in the case of my Dharma name the character is actually pronounced as it appears in the &#8216;Shoshinge&#8217; i.e. &#8216;kyō&#8217;.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Chanting: Historical Fragments by michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way. I was wondering if Kyoshin and Jishin are your dharma names.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way. I was wondering if Kyoshin and Jishin are your dharma names.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Chanting: Historical Fragments by michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyoshin, no I did not take it as directed at me. I didn't even think of it that way. Sorry if it sounded like I was being defensive. Thank you. And thanks Jishin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyoshin, no I did not take it as directed at me. I didn&#8217;t even think of it that way. Sorry if it sounded like I was being defensive. Thank you. And thanks Jishin.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Chanting: Historical Fragments by Jishin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jishin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Michael, welcome along and thank you for your interesting contribution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Michael, welcome along and thank you for your interesting contribution.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Chanting: Historical Fragments by Kyōshin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyōshin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, I hope you realised that my comment about people being opinionated without actually visiting temples was a general one and not directed at you.  However I am very impressed by your considerable efforts to study and practice face-to-face with other followers.  Good for you! Gassho, K</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, I hope you realised that my comment about people being opinionated without actually visiting temples was a general one and not directed at you.  However I am very impressed by your considerable efforts to study and practice face-to-face with other followers.  Good for you! Gassho, K</p>
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		<title>Comment on Chanting: Historical Fragments by michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyoshin,

I go to a BCA temple once a month. It is a small sangha of 10-12 people and I drive a little over 2 hours to get there. It's part of the Tri-State/Denver Buddhist Temple. Here is the website: www.tsdbt.org  I will also start lay minister training with Bright Dawn Institute for American Buddhism this fall. That website is www.brightdawn.org  I live in a small town and I think I am probably the only Buddhist here. I practice daily devotionals twice a day, in the morning and in the evening. Other than that, I do read a lot of Buddhist books, mostly Jodo Shinshu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyoshin,</p>
<p>I go to a BCA temple once a month. It is a small sangha of 10-12 people and I drive a little over 2 hours to get there. It&#8217;s part of the Tri-State/Denver Buddhist Temple. Here is the website: <a href="http://www.tsdbt.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.tsdbt.org</a>  I will also start lay minister training with Bright Dawn Institute for American Buddhism this fall. That website is <a href="http://www.brightdawn.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.brightdawn.org</a>  I live in a small town and I think I am probably the only Buddhist here. I practice daily devotionals twice a day, in the morning and in the evening. Other than that, I do read a lot of Buddhist books, mostly Jodo Shinshu.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Chanting: Historical Fragments by Kyōshin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyōshin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Michael it's nice to hear from you.  

Those discussions seem to go round year after year don't they!  Personally I'm happy following the ways that I've learnt from my Japanese friends, including their way of saying nembutsu, but at home I do incorporate one English gatha (based on Vasubandhu's profession of faith) into my daily gongyo at the end as it really resonates with me:

"O World-Honoured One, with the mind that is single, 
I Take refuge in the Tathagata of Unhindered Light 
Filling the Ten Quarters,
And aspire to be born in the Land of Bliss."

"Contemplating the features of that world,
I see that it transcends the three realms.
It is infinite, like space,
Vast and boundless."

When people based in the US have such discussions on the net I often wonder whether they have actually visited a BCA temple.  When I was over in the US earlier this year I visited a Sunday service at the Seattle Betsuin and found that probably over 60% of the liturgy was in the form of English gathas (though they also had a traditional service afterwards for those who wanted that).

A lot of people also forget that the sutras are chanted in ancient Sino-Japanese which is almost as challenging to modern Japanese people as it is to Westerners.  In that sense it is similar to Christian churches that use Latin.  Something about using a different language seems to contribute to adjusting the mind into a different framework and is very conducive to creating ritual space.

Look forwards to hearing from you again in the future.   What is your practice like, do you have a local temple?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michael it&#8217;s nice to hear from you.  </p>
<p>Those discussions seem to go round year after year don&#8217;t they!  Personally I&#8217;m happy following the ways that I&#8217;ve learnt from my Japanese friends, including their way of saying nembutsu, but at home I do incorporate one English gatha (based on Vasubandhu&#8217;s profession of faith) into my daily gongyo at the end as it really resonates with me:</p>
<p>&#8220;O World-Honoured One, with the mind that is single,<br />
I Take refuge in the Tathagata of Unhindered Light<br />
Filling the Ten Quarters,<br />
And aspire to be born in the Land of Bliss.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Contemplating the features of that world,<br />
I see that it transcends the three realms.<br />
It is infinite, like space,<br />
Vast and boundless.&#8221;</p>
<p>When people based in the US have such discussions on the net I often wonder whether they have actually visited a BCA temple.  When I was over in the US earlier this year I visited a Sunday service at the Seattle Betsuin and found that probably over 60% of the liturgy was in the form of English gathas (though they also had a traditional service afterwards for those who wanted that).</p>
<p>A lot of people also forget that the sutras are chanted in ancient Sino-Japanese which is almost as challenging to modern Japanese people as it is to Westerners.  In that sense it is similar to Christian churches that use Latin.  Something about using a different language seems to contribute to adjusting the mind into a different framework and is very conducive to creating ritual space.</p>
<p>Look forwards to hearing from you again in the future.   What is your practice like, do you have a local temple?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Chanting: Historical Fragments by michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There has been some discussion on the idea of an English Nembutsu at: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jodoshinshutoday/
I've considered this myself, but it just sounds weird even though I don't speak Japanese. So for now, I'll just leave it as it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There has been some discussion on the idea of an English Nembutsu at:<br />
<a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jodoshinshutoday/" rel="nofollow">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jodoshinshutoday/</a><br />
I&#8217;ve considered this myself, but it just sounds weird even though I don&#8217;t speak Japanese. So for now, I&#8217;ll just leave it as it is.</p>
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